we also want a big deal. the president did put a grand proposal on the table. >> chris: we will get to that in a second. if it is a choice because the clock is ticking, 16 days, if it is a choice between the mcconnell plan or nothing, not raising the debt ceiling on august 2, are you going to vote for the mcconnell plan? >> i'm working hard so that that is not our only choice. i will say that. we cannot default on our debt. americans can't choose not to pay the bills they incurred and we know what that catastrophe that would be. i know there have been bills introduced in the house that suggest you can sort of skate by this, standard & poor's, moody's, chamber of commerce, they all say it is not so. >> chris: stay on the mcconnell plan for a moment. if it comes down to that -- you are already shaking your head. if it comes down to the mcconnell plan or going past august 2. >> the mcconnell plan doesn't have 218 republican votes. there is all kinds of conservatives who will not support the mitch -- as chris poi